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Concerning the question about those who were delivered, and their status of being saved or not.
Possession is different from oppression.
In this case of demon possessed, as stated a Christian cannot be demon possessed. This we now agree, I suppose. So then, if a person is delivered and claimed to be a Christian, either they were not saved and born again. When we are born again, all old things are made new.
Therefore, if they are truly born again, whatever they faced was demon oppression. The difference between, possession and oppression:
Possession is the act of being controlled from within.
Whereas, oppression is the attack from without or outside. As Christians, we faced daily attacks from without, we can be delivered from these things. However, it is not possession, rather it is oppression.
If a child comes up to its mother, on a hot summer day with two popsicle sticks in both hands, and one in her mouth; she is however looking up to her mom wanting an ice-cream with a cone. The mother is looking at her daughter. She cannot give her what she wants until she put down those things that are in her hands. Usually, the child won’t think about the need to let go first, in order to receive, all they care about is getting a new ice-cream with a cone.
This is the condition with most Christians. They are asking God for something while still holding on to other things. One might say, well … the things, or thing that I am holding on to isn’t a physical thing in my hands. True, it might be a failed dream, or a relationship. Although those things are not held on to physically, but the idea is the same, and the approach must be the same.
We let go of whatever it is by stop making it the focus of our lives. To let go of something, doesn’t mean hating that thing. (unless it is immoral) Instead, we make God our focus than allowing whatever the thing is, as the focus of our lives.
Personally, for me, being an inventor and earning my first U.S. patent while still in high school was one of my focuses. A dream to earn wealth through my inventions. This in itself, isn’t wrong, but are we ready for that which we desire? A parent will not entrust an automobile in the hands of a 10-year-old simply because the child asked for it. Though the parent loves that child, but the parent knows better, and when the time is right they shall receive. Likewise, God our heavenly Father knows best, and what is right. Though we do not understand it all, may we learn to trust. Even if we do not understand, let us say, Lord, teach me to trust you.
It is true, opposition is from the enemy, which in part is a hindrance to the believer. However, most hindrance in the life of the Christian is brought about through ignorant - a tough choice of word, but basically it is the act of not knowing that you don't know.
Ignorance is only a part of the hindrance the Christians face. The other reason is the individual's mindset. Even though the mind is what make us free as an individual. However, it is the most powerful factor to keep a believer bind, through struggles with hindrance, oppression and "sometimes" depression.
For an example, there are times when a believer desire something in their life, to such a great degree that the unknown way in which it might be obtain becomes their only reason for living. If they cannot have that in their life, consequently everything around them becomes obsolete. This can turn out to be a hindrance in that person’s life. In most cases, God is blessing that individual in other ways, the other blessings might just be His plan to bring them into that which they desire. Yet, for the lust of their heart, they care less for any other blessings in their life. If it is not a particular desire of their hearts, therefore they cannot move forward. (they are hindered) They are in the present, but living in an unknown future, or a past they won’t let go of. (We’ve all been there.)
The flesh is selfish, if it cannot get what it lusts after or desire, after a while it will take over and spew poisons in the believer’s life. Or as science would refer to it as chemicals. This usually leads to depression, or the constant struggle of oppression.
Clarification, this is not the only cause of depression. Things of extreme matters inflicted upon a person by another, this will at times turns into depression; if they try to bear the burden themselves. However, thank God we have a friend in Jesus. Hindrance is not a denial of progression, but with the right mindset by faith, it is an opportunity to start over with faith in the Lord. Like the poem of 1855:
What a friend we have in Jesus All our sins and griefs to bear And what a privilege to carry Everything to God in prayer
Oh, what peace we often forfeit Oh, what needless pain we bear All because we do not carry Everything to God in prayer
Have we trials and temptations? Is there trouble anywhere? We should never be discouraged Take it to the Lord in prayer
Can we find a friend so faithful Who will all our sorrows share? Jesus knows our every weakness Take it to the Lord in prayer.
True Pink, thanks for the reminder from Proverbs
Amen to that! Good to know this, not that I think I'm possessed or anything hahaha. Knowledge is powerful
You're welcome :) be bless
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Concerning the question about those who were delivered, and their status of being saved or not.
Possession is different from oppression.
In this case of demon possessed, as stated a Christian cannot be demon possessed. This we now agree, I suppose. So then, if a person is delivered and claimed to be a Christian, either they were not saved and born again. When we are born again, all old things are made new.
Therefore, if they are truly born again, whatever they faced was demon oppression. The difference between, possession and oppression:
Possession is the act of being controlled from within.
Whereas, oppression is the attack from without or outside. As Christians, we faced daily attacks from without, we can be delivered from these things. However, it is not possession, rather it is oppression.
This is a blessing, just one more question, if a person get delivered from a demon spirit, were they not saved? Just want to understand.
Absolutely we just need to know it. teach me Lord!!
Mine too
Anyhow I need to study more. The scripture sure knock down believes that are not scripture based
Non- Christians can, for there is nothing there to keep out bad spirits. Of course we are not saying all non-Christians are possessed.
Amen Pink and good question too ☺
A Christian who desires to cast a demon spirit out of a person, is a noble idea, but the problem is; Christians cannot be demon posses.
1 Corinthians 3:16
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
The Holy Spirit cannot be in a person while demons live along side with the Spirit of God.
I understand some things take time, but how about when a certain demon spirit is cast out of a Christian won't they be instantly restore?
Amen :)
God bless you, not all things are quickly fixed, but there is an assurance all things can be fixed.
If a child comes up to its mother, on a hot summer day with two popsicle sticks in both hands, and one in her mouth; she is however looking up to her mom wanting an ice-cream with a cone. The mother is looking at her daughter. She cannot give her what she wants until she put down those things that are in her hands. Usually, the child won’t think about the need to let go first, in order to receive, all they care about is getting a new ice-cream with a cone.
This is the condition with most Christians. They are asking God for something while still holding on to other things. One might say, well … the things, or thing that I am holding on to isn’t a physical thing in my hands. True, it might be a failed dream, or a relationship. Although those things are not held on to physically, but the idea is the same, and the approach must be the same.
We let go of whatever it is by stop making it the focus of our lives. To let go of something, doesn’t mean hating that thing. (unless it is immoral) Instead, we make God our focus than allowing whatever the thing is, as the focus of our lives.
Personally, for me, being an inventor and earning my first U.S. patent while still in high school was one of my focuses. A dream to earn wealth through my inventions. This in itself, isn’t wrong, but are we ready for that which we desire? A parent will not entrust an automobile in the hands of a 10-year-old simply because the child asked for it. Though the parent loves that child, but the parent knows better, and when the time is right they shall receive. Likewise, God our heavenly Father knows best, and what is right. Though we do not understand it all, may we learn to trust. Even if we do not understand, let us say, Lord, teach me to trust you.
>Prayer to trust in the Lord<
>song
It is true, opposition is from the enemy, which in part is a hindrance to the believer. However, most hindrance in the life of the Christian is brought about through ignorant - a tough choice of word, but basically it is the act of not knowing that you don't know.
Ignorance is only a part of the hindrance the Christians face. The other reason is the individual's mindset. Even though the mind is what make us free as an individual. However, it is the most powerful factor to keep a believer bind, through struggles with hindrance, oppression and "sometimes" depression.
For an example, there are times when a believer desire something in their life, to such a great degree that the unknown way in which it might be obtain becomes their only reason for living. If they cannot have that in their life, consequently everything around them becomes obsolete. This can turn out to be a hindrance in that person’s life. In most cases, God is blessing that individual in other ways, the other blessings might just be His plan to bring them into that which they desire. Yet, for the lust of their heart, they care less for any other blessings in their life. If it is not a particular desire of their hearts, therefore they cannot move forward. (they are hindered) They are in the present, but living in an unknown future, or a past they won’t let go of. (We’ve all been there.)
The flesh is selfish, if it cannot get what it lusts after or desire, after a while it will take over and spew poisons in the believer’s life. Or as science would refer to it as chemicals. This usually leads to depression, or the constant struggle of oppression.
Clarification, this is not the only cause of depression. Things of extreme matters inflicted upon a person by another, this will at times turns into depression; if they try to bear the burden themselves. However, thank God we have a friend in Jesus. Hindrance is not a denial of progression, but with the right mindset by faith, it is an opportunity to start over with faith in the Lord. Like the poem of 1855:
What a friend we have in Jesus All our sins and griefs to bear And what a privilege to carry Everything to God in prayer
Oh, what peace we often forfeit Oh, what needless pain we bear All because we do not carry Everything to God in prayer
Have we trials and temptations? Is there trouble anywhere? We should never be discouraged Take it to the Lord in prayer
Can we find a friend so faithful Who will all our sorrows share? Jesus knows our every weakness Take it to the Lord in prayer.
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